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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on May 31, 2023 3:49:30 GMT
The Lord-Archon rose after being addressed by Lord Gewisse. Despite all best attempts, the man could not hide the wounds to his body. A portion as straight as an arrow cut through his beard on the left cheek of his face. Noticeable padding had been added to his shoulder, perhaps to hide a bandage, and he walked with a limp. Though, curiously, his boots were the right size.
I will lead any army assembled by this Imperial Diet against the Mongol demons. While you are bicker and stew about borders on a map, I saw men slaughtered by the thousands at the Red Fields. I lost one of my sons to arrows so numerous I could only identify him by the shreds of his cloak! So few of you saw the ruins of Percyandria. ASHES carried on the winds all the way to the mountain passes. Refugees with little but the clothes on their backs and terror in their eyes.
We had Legions. LEGIONS! Yet it wasn't enough. If we are to save Christendom and our very homes, we MUST unite as a total force from every possible realm and route these half-men, half-monsters from our lands. NOTHING else matters.
NOTHING!
I motion this Imperial Diet passes a law that every realm must send coin or men for the next expedition against the Mongols and their godless, pagan Khan. And I volunteer to lead it.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on May 31, 2023 5:53:39 GMT
The Lord-Archon rose after being addressed by Lord Gewisse. Despite all best attempts, the man could not hide the wounds to his body. A portion as straight as an arrow cut through his beard on the left cheek of his face. Noticeable padding had been added to his shoulder, perhaps to hide a bandage, and he walked with a limp. Though, curiously, his boots were the right size.I will lead any army assembled by this Imperial Diet against the Mongol demons. While you are bicker and stew about borders on a map, I saw men slaughtered by the thousands at the Red Fields. I lost one of my sons to arrows so numerous I could only identify him by the shreds of his cloak! So few of you saw the ruins of Percyandria. ASHES carried on the winds all the way to the mountain passes. Refugees with little but the clothes on their backs and terror in their eyes. We had Legions. LEGIONS! Yet it wasn't enough. If we are to save Christendom and our very homes, we MUST unite as a total force from every possible realm and route these half-men, half-monsters from our lands. NOTHING else matters. NOTHING!I motion this Imperial Diet passes a law that every realm must send coin or men for the next expedition against the Mongols and their godless, pagan Khan. And I volunteer to lead it. Seconded.
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Post by Henry I on May 31, 2023 8:23:40 GMT
As unfortunatly, a good chunk of our income has dispared this turn, my Lord will endavor to purchase any remaing mercenaries that might be of use.
Perhaps the congregation might make or keep a list of who sends what where so coordination is a bit easier for those with long communication times.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on May 31, 2023 14:00:12 GMT
Allectus closed his eyes momentarily to block out the memory of the killing fields of Percyandria. Lord Archon Evander’s vivid recollection brought back the events of that day to full view and there are some things that just shouldn’t be relived. Allectus regained his composure and continued on.
“The motion from Lord Archon Evander is recognized and seconded by Duke da Carlsen.
Though I would suggest it be amended or else some realms can skirt by with just sending a token force rather than one that would be useful on the field of battle.
For that I would motion that every realm provide at a minimum 500 men at arms from their our forces or a regiment of mercenaries. Or adequate coin to another realm to acquire them.
As for King Henry’s concern, we presently have a scribe collecting said information with the details to be forwarded to the campaign commander once they have been selected.
So far the following has been committed:
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Post by Henry I on May 31, 2023 15:11:46 GMT
Considering sending the trsuty brothers. I was going to add the forest brothers but now I can't
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on May 31, 2023 15:39:32 GMT
As unfortunatly, a good chunk of our income has dispared this turn, my Lord will endavor to purchase any remaing mercenaries that might be of use. Perhaps the congregation might make or keep a list of who sends what where so coordination is a bit easier for those with long communication times. It'd be simpler to just fund someone who does mercenaries so they can hire them far closer to the front.
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Post by Landvogt Werner von Schwyz on May 31, 2023 15:57:45 GMT
Allectus closed his eyes momentarily to block out the memory of the killing fields of Percyandria. Lord Archon Evander’s vivid recollection brought back the events of that day to full view and there are some things that just shouldn’t be relived. Allectus regained his composure and continued on.“The motion from Lord Archon Evander is recognized and seconded by Duke da Carlsen. Though I would suggest it be amended or else some realms can skirt by with just sending a token force rather than one that would be useful on the field of battle. For that I would motion that every realm provide at a minimum 500 men at arms from their our forces or a regiment of mercenaries. Or adequate coin to another realm to acquire them. As for King Henry’s concern, we presently have a scribe collecting said information with the details to be forwarded to the campaign commander once they have been selected. So far the following has been committed: Helvetia will object to a blanket minimum contribution of 500 men-at-arms being imposed on every single one of us: not all countries are equal in capability and I state that Helvetia does not have so much as 500 professional men-at-arms in the entire country and cannot meet such a requirement even if it were the will of the Diet: unlike the rest of Christendom our coin has not been spent on expanding our military capacity to such a degree. Likewise, some of the mercenary outfits that we imagine the most useful and needed against the Mongols ask for more coin than what Helvetia can raise in an entire year.
As there are countries both big and small in Christendom, Helvetia will oppose any arbitrary minimum standard for a country's proposed military contribution to a united effort against the Mongols. What a country has and is able to devote to facing the Mongol threat, said country alone is fit to decide.
As for Helvetia in particular, we ourselves can only raise approximately 200 men in cavalry and about the same in professional infantry, and the Tagsatzung would be willing to put them under the banner of Christendom if the expedition is sanctioned by this Diet and His Holiness. Hearing the tales of the Mongols' tactics on the fields of Percia though, I labour under no illusions about the efficacy of sending peasant levies against these devils on horseback, and will not send men ill-suited to the task to their deaths on a faraway battlefield.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on May 31, 2023 16:01:51 GMT
By Men at arms, are we referring to just men raised at castles or cities as well?
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on May 31, 2023 16:14:14 GMT
A standard of 500 men at arms is unreasonable to impose on those realms who are too far from Percia to send troops.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on May 31, 2023 16:17:47 GMT
My original intent is to ensure that at least 500 men at arms or cavalry is being supplied by those who are able to raise such forces and march them to Percia. If not, then whatever the particular realm can afford in terms of mercenaries would suffice. Or to provide said funds to a realm that can hire mercenaries.
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Post by Landvogt Werner von Schwyz on May 31, 2023 16:24:40 GMT
Perhaps a fairer standard would be to raise 200 men for every city a country has? We do not find it equitable that, for example, a small country of only two cities should be held to contribute the same force or the same coin as a larger country with 4 established cities, or with multiple castles, in their realm.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on May 31, 2023 16:25:40 GMT
A standard of 500 men at arms is unreasonable to impose on those realms who are too far from Percia to send troops. Allectus motions to the scribe to read the relevant part over from the transcript of the meeting“For that I would motion that every realm provide at a minimum 500 men at arms from their our forces or a regiment of mercenaries. Or adequate coin to another realm to acquire them.” The scribe reads aloud.“As I previously stated, perhaps the room distorts my words, if a realm is able to provide a force of mixed men at arms or cavalry, they should do so. Or, they can hire a single regiment of mercenaries to send forth. Or lastly, they can send those funds to someone who is able to hire mercenaries if they are unable to do so. I honestly don’t see how this is an unreasonable request from any realm. Large, small. Rich or poor. This is within everyone’s means to accomplish.”
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on May 31, 2023 16:29:30 GMT
Perhaps a fairer standard would be to raise 200 men for every city a country has? We do not find it equitable that, for example, a small country of only two cities should be held to contribute the same force or the same coin as a larger country with 4 established cities, or with multiple castles, in their realm. The relevant 500 minimum of men at arms would apply to those realms able to march them to Percia in a reasonable amount of time. Those realms in the extreme north would not arrive until the winter, if that. The 500 troop requirement would include both men at arms and cavalry. More or less what my Lord von Schwyz was suggesting to send.
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Post by Landvogt Werner von Schwyz on May 31, 2023 16:36:22 GMT
Perhaps a fairer standard would be to raise 200 men for every city a country has? We do not find it equitable that, for example, a small country of only two cities should be held to contribute the same force or the same coin as a larger country with 4 established cities, or with multiple castles, in their realm. The relevant 500 minimum of men at arms would apply to those realms able to march them to Percia in a reasonable amount of time. Those realms in the extreme north would not arrive until the winter, if that. The 500 troop requirement would include both men at arms and cavalry. More or less what my Lord von Schwyz was suggesting to send. We object to a requirement and will not contribute out of principle if it is understood to to be an act of fiat by the Diet. It should not rightfully be in the powers of the Diet to, by mere majority decision, force a sovereign country to send a prescribed amount of its own soldiers, or coin, to an external purpose. The Tagsatzung offers what it does to the proposed expedition against the Mongols based on Helvetia's ability and the merit of the cause that it would work towards. It is up to the judgement of each of the other delegates here to decide what that is for their own countries. Let us instead discuss with them here what the capabilities of their respective countries are, and beseech them to contribute what they can reasonably spare to the effort. It is improper to demand more of a sovereign country.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on May 31, 2023 16:56:20 GMT
Perhaps a fairer standard would be to raise 200 men for every city a country has? We do not find it equitable that, for example, a small country of only two cities should be held to contribute the same force or the same coin as a larger country with 4 established cities, or with multiple castles, in their realm. This does make sense to me.
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