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Post by Marq Luq d'Jean on Mar 31, 2023 21:28:39 GMT
The Crown Prince shares a hearty laugh with members of the Eriburn delegation (some of whom look rather mountainous) before rising to speak again.
"So it seems to me that we first were told that this body needs to meet, but then that it met too often, but then that it didn't meet often enough and now that it does too much. It makes me question the rather...mercurial nature of some members of this august body."
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 1, 2023 20:38:31 GMT
After reviewing the proposal, and making one change, the Serene Prince rises to speakI am in agreement that the "unprotected state" is a better wording of Article II. However I do wish to reiterate that Article I should, at the bare minimum, include a means to mediate a peace talk in the event it might be desirable to try and help. Again, this isn't legally binding, but merely to allow the option for the Diet to intervene if it's politically necessary, rather than outright banning it. We don't need to exercise that right should it be requested of us from one party. “The Republic seconds the motion as presented by the Doge Medici. If anyone wishes to second the motion of either King Gewisse or Guildmaster Anatolius, I ask that you do so. It seems we have run out of additional amendments and suggestions for this proposal unless there’s another one which would be presented. Otherwise it seems most prudent to continue onto the next topic on the Diet’s agenda.”
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Apr 1, 2023 22:09:52 GMT
The Crown Prince shares a hearty laugh with members of the Eriburn delegation (some of whom look rather mountainous) before rising to speak again. "So it seems to me that we first were told that this body needs to meet, but then that it met too often, but then that it didn't meet often enough and now that it does too much. It makes me question the rather...mercurial nature of some members of this august body." The King rolled his eyes in annoyance:How often one meets and the powers of the Diet are two completely separate things
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Post by Serene Doge Marino Medici on Apr 3, 2023 0:24:01 GMT
In the interest of moving on to the next item on our agenda, as proposed by the Speaker regarding the founding of a Holy Order on the island situated to our north, I have a few questions on the matter for the Lord-Archon to elaborate on.
Firstly, for what reason would we establish such an order on the island for?
Second, and following on from the previous question, what responsibilities and purpose would this Order have? Further, what restrictions would it have? Is it allowed to expand beyond the island's borders, or be limited to them?
Third, would this Order fund its own settlements, or would this require finances from the Imperial realms? Further, what settlements would be needed?
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 3, 2023 19:24:50 GMT
The second is noted and recorded for vote at the end of the session.
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 3, 2023 19:32:26 GMT
In the interest of moving on to the next item on our agenda, as proposed by the Speaker regarding the founding of a Holy Order on the island situated to our north, I have a few questions on the matter for the Lord-Archon to elaborate on. Firstly, for what reason would we establish such an order on the island for? Second, and following on from the previous question, what responsibilities and purpose would this Order have? Further, what restrictions would it have? Is it allowed to expand beyond the island's borders, or be limited to them? Third, would this Order fund its own settlements, or would this require finances from the Imperial realms? Further, what settlements would be needed? Doge Medici, I will answer your questions in turn as you asked them. The northern most island is beyond the reach and settlement of all other powers on the Peninsula. Thus leaving it vulnerable for pirates, Moslems, and raiders of all sorts to take residence there if they so wished. An order established there would bring civilization and the Christian God to a barbaric island and prevent such issues from arising. The Order's responsibility would be to guard against Moslem or Pagan intruders and raiders, as well as provide for as a neutral port of call and assembly area for all Christian realms and their merchants and tradesmen. Should such a situation arise where we must wage war on distant lands, the Order would provide the assembly area and sufficient dockyards and ports to provide for the expedition. The Order would not be allowed to expand beyond the island borders unless agreed upon by this Imperial Diet. The Order would provide for its own defense and funds. If Imperial Realms wish to invest in it, that is their independent ability to do so. But the Order would require no outside finances. My belief is at least the founding of a city and perhaps castle if the funds allow. If not, we can always meet to make this an option in a handful of years. Reme wasn't constructed in a day.
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Apr 4, 2023 13:33:58 GMT
How can the order, on a small island so far from us, fund itself and for its own defense? I’d expect said order would come back in the next Diet needing significant investment to meet the goals stated.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 4, 2023 15:36:12 GMT
Allectus was conferring with his advisor before he stood up to speak
Gentlemen,
I find this proposal to be both measured and reasonable.
The Holy Order that is to be established would mostly likely need an initial infusion of funds to establish a castle and perhaps a city on the island.
Perhaps 2500 Florins. A modest sum when divided among the 17 faithful lords and nobles of this realm.
Any who wish to contribute more or less are free to do so.
The trade and tax income from the castle and city should be enough to sustain the holy order to be the realm’s sword and shield against pagans and other heretics.
I would however remove the restriction on their expansion since they are also close enough to the mainland to develop its immediate surroundings and Christianize the inhabitants.
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on Apr 4, 2023 16:38:54 GMT
I would not support this measure. It is a poor choice of location.
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Apr 4, 2023 17:00:01 GMT
The Diet can certainly discuss whatever it wishes - but we don't need to codify useless meetings where we can sit in self importance and think we can solve the problems with words where they are not welcome. Diet's should be short, quick, to the point and then over within a weekend. We survived for hundreds of years without this thing, and now some parties seem to want to create some sort of all encompassing Senate. First it's butting in to conclude on a war it's not invited to. Then we'll be taxed by the Diet to spend on lord knows what. Where will it end? Once we go sliding down this wet, slippery, hill, we follow that slope all the way down until the rights and freedoms we have as Kings are gone. First the Diet came for the rights of Kings. Now they tax us for some vaguely purposed holy order. We may as well elect an emperor to rule over the Empire. As I am sure the Diet will continue to infringe on the freedoms many of us hold dear over the next few Diet sessions. I do not support this measure. I do not support the bastardization of my proposal to LIMIT the authority of the Diet into one that increases its power. For shame.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 4, 2023 18:28:17 GMT
Allectus stands to speak.
“It is quite unfortunate that the good King Von Gewisse does not see the benefit of establishing an independent holy order to protect the Christian realms against incursions from the pagans and heathens that border the lands of Christendom.
We have already seen marauding Tatars sweep their way past the Kingdom of Turicia. Their whereabouts currently unknown. They could have very well returned home after their raiding. Or we could very soon receive reports that they’ve arrived at the gates of Reme while this Diet is taking place.
Most concerning are the rumors of repeated incursions of Moslem raiders into the Caelian Republic. For now, the good Guildmaster Anatolius informs us there is nothing to be concerned about but how long are we expected to allow these and other abuses to test our patience? How long will this madness mock us?
If the pagans and heathens at the border cannot be converted by the word of God, perhaps instead they should be met with the sword.”
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on Apr 4, 2023 18:33:09 GMT
Allectus stands to speak.“It is quite unfortunate that the good King Von Gewisse does not see the benefit of establishing an independent holy order to protect the Christian realms against incursions from the pagans and heathens that border the lands of Christendom. We have already seen marauding Tatars sweep their way past the Kingdom of Turicia. Their whereabouts currently unknown. They could have very well returned home after their raiding. Or we could very soon receive reports that they’ve arrived at the gates of Reme while this Diet is taking place. Most concerning are the rumors of repeated incursions of Moslem raiders into the Caelian Republic. For now, the good Guildmaster Anatolius informs us there is nothing to be concerned about but how long are we expected to allow these and other abuses to test our patience? How long will this madness mock us? If the pagans and heathens at the border cannot be converted by the word of God, perhaps instead they should be met with the sword.” Your assessment of the Tatar problem is wrong. These Tatars had long settled in the lands between Turicia and Percia. When We came into possession of the lands they have raided, they were exterminated and the problem exists no longer. To suggest the Tatars still remain and have not been properly dealt with is an insult.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on Apr 4, 2023 18:48:25 GMT
"Indeed? That is excellent news. That's number 5 on the agenda settled then."
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 4, 2023 19:35:55 GMT
Lord Gewisse, if your concerns about cash-flow for this Holy Order are so distressing your impoverished realm, then the Argent Despotate is more than willing to fund the production of a city and grant it to the Holy Order of the Isle.
If other realms wish to voluntarily contribute, that is their right. Of course, His Holy Vicar the Pope may also participate if The Church so wishes.
If the body here has qualms of currency, let it be known that all we desire is the charter for this Holy Order to be granted legal writ by the Imperial Diet.
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Post by Admin Bob on Apr 4, 2023 22:25:38 GMT
A scribe hurriedly approaches the speaker with a piece of paper. It outlines a quickly put together analysis of what the cost would be of such a project.
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