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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 27, 2023 19:21:52 GMT
With no other proposals being offered, I propose the following:
The Christland Law
1. All merchants, pilgrims, and road travelers interacting with Tartars who are not baptized Christians must report their location to their nearest priest, when practical. Either passing through a village or at their final destination.
2. Priests are granted temporal authority, and by direction of the Holy Pope, to then proselytize, extol, and baptize these Tartaran peoples as they deem fit.
3. Any trade, commerce, or profitable agreements are banned between Christian peoples and unchristian Tartars.
If any one of you finds this agreeable to be voted on, I request you officially second the motion. Not merely concur or agree.
In the future as well, if someone presents a concern, please present a motion for discussion as well and proceed quickly to second it if another deems it acceptable to be voted on. We MUST attend business swiftly.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on Apr 27, 2023 19:51:53 GMT
My main concern with the proposal would be number 3, it would be very awkward if they interpreted that as a hostile act while the priests were in the middle of attempting to convert them.
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Post by King Gościsław Kopaszewski on Apr 27, 2023 20:20:25 GMT
If they willingly choose to refuse to serve our peaceful lord and Christ, they should be immediately put to the sword or burnt at the stake. Depending on their personal preference.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 27, 2023 20:40:11 GMT
With no other proposals being offered, I propose the following: The Christland Law 1. All merchants, pilgrims, and road travelers interacting with Tartars who are not baptized Christians must report their location to their nearest priest, when practical. Either passing through a village or at their final destination. 2. Priests are granted temporal authority, and by direction of the Holy Pope, to then proselytize, extol, and baptize these Tartaran peoples as they deem fit. 3. Any trade, commerce, or profitable agreements are banned between Christian peoples and unchristian Tartars. If any one of you finds this agreeable to be voted on, I request you officially second the motion. Not merely concur or agree. In the future as well, if someone presents a concern, please present a motion for discussion as well and proceed quickly to second it if another deems it acceptable to be voted on. We MUST attend business swiftly. I second the motion |
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 27, 2023 20:42:56 GMT
My main concern with the proposal would be number 3, it would be very awkward if they interpreted that as a hostile act while the priests were in the middle of attempting to convert them. By their very nature, the nomadic Tartars are a marauding force that has already invaded two Christian realms and now call unclaimed lands to the south their own. They are the ones who initiated hostilities and refuse to behave as civilized men. It is only a matter of time before more of them cross into Christendom. |
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on Apr 27, 2023 22:42:47 GMT
We would fully object to this law.
A heavy-handed hostile approach will NOT make these people sympathetic to our civilization and to a relationship with Christ. We must peacefully offer these people a place in Christendom. Restricting trade will negatively affect their wellbeing and will only instil in them discontent and hatred for us. These are skilled cavalry fighters who could easily be an irregular thorn in our side with raids and violence. If this law passes, Percia will continue to trade with these Tartars and continue with our current plan for converting and integrating these potential Christians into our people.
This body should consider how much authority it has to pass edicts that are not the business of all members.
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on Apr 27, 2023 22:51:12 GMT
My main concern with the proposal would be number 3, it would be very awkward if they interpreted that as a hostile act while the priests were in the middle of attempting to convert them. By their very nature, the nomadic Tartars are a marauding force that has already invaded two Christian realms and now call unclaimed lands to the south their own. They are the ones who initiated hostilities and refuse to behave as civilized men. It is only a matter of time before more of them cross into Christendom. The Tartars raided the evil Turicians, who, if you remember, were former raiders themselves and Christians in name only. They have not invaded Percia, but settled with my consent. Neutral land to the south is soon to be part of Percia. They have initiated no hostilities, came to me requesting settlement, accepted Christ easily, and are living on my frontier. If we deal with them peacefully and welcome them to the Christian faith with open arms and good intentions, we will all surely benefit. These are skilled outdoorsmen and horsemen who would bring great value to us Christian realms. |
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 28, 2023 3:47:52 GMT
Seeing as we have a few volunteers for funding the Order of the Ichtus, I do not believe an Imperial Diet period of comment is necessary. Should someone wish to propose a law, they are free to do so on the matter.
That leads us to the next point.
2)Christendom’s response to the murder of pilgrims to the Holy Land
Do we have any proposals for this concern?
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Apr 28, 2023 11:33:36 GMT
I offer the following counter motion for the Christland Law
The Christland Law
1. The Diet requests all merchants, pilgrims, and road travelers interacting with Tartars who are not baptized Christians report their location to their nearest priest, when practical. Either when passing through a village or at their final destination.
2. Priests are granted temporal authority, and by direction of the Holy Pope, to then proselytize, extol, and baptize these Tartaran peoples as they deem fit.
Much more simple and takes into account the concerns of many of the Diet.
With respect to the death of those in the Holy Land - we are most aggrieved that goodly Christians were murdered in such a manner. However, they knew there might be risks setting off in parts unknown. I’m not sure what response there could be short of the Holy Pepe declaring a crusade.
Considering the state of the realm at this point. I don’t think we’re ready for such.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Apr 28, 2023 14:18:51 GMT
Unfortunately the road to the holy land is not without its perils. The caliphate protects our pilgrims within their own borders but cannot or will not extend itself further to cover the travel of pilgrims within unclaimed lands. As it stands now, there is not enough religious, political nor economic will to assist pilgrims who are harmed during their pilgrimage. For now they must be protected by their faith alone and pray that God stays the hand of any criminal, thief, brigand or pagan that wishes them harm.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on Apr 28, 2023 15:19:43 GMT
I offer the following counter motion for the Christland Law The Christland Law 1. The Diet requests all merchants, pilgrims, and road travelers interacting with Tartars who are not baptized Christians report their location to their nearest priest, when practical. Either when passing through a village or at their final destination. 2. Priests are granted temporal authority, and by direction of the Holy Pope, to then proselytize, extol, and baptize these Tartaran peoples as they deem fit. Seconded. |
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Apr 28, 2023 21:43:18 GMT
The proposal from the Lord of Gewisse is noted.
I have a solution that might help the Pilgrims. I propose the following law:
Law of Pilgrim Protection
1. As an addendum to the founding charter of the The Order of the I Icthus, the knights are granted the additional power of being able to provide escort of pilgrims towards and in the Holy Land.
2. The Order of Icthus may charge reasonable fees for providing protection and guidance for pilgrims to and in the Holy Land. They may also provide this service for free as their Order leadership decides.
This type of law uses the resources we have worked so hard to establish, while also falling short of of a large overseas commitment for the United realms of the Diet.
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on Apr 28, 2023 22:19:40 GMT
Do the knights have forces formed yet? It was my understanding that the city is still under construction and a castle has yet to begin construction.
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Post by Admin Bob on Apr 28, 2023 22:54:02 GMT
Do the knights have forces formed yet? It was my understanding that the city is still under construction and a castle has yet to begin construction. They do not, at present, field any forces.. Says a scribe. |
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Post by King Gościsław Kopaszewski on Apr 29, 2023 0:45:49 GMT
We should say, Tartar for now. And move on.
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