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Post by Guildmaster Anatolius on Feb 23, 2023 5:12:23 GMT
On the matter of resolving the Caelin - Phalus war, we put the following up for discussion. 1. With the understanding that the Merchant Republic of Caelin chose to siege the capitol of the High Kingdom of Phalus after negotiations over territory broke down, Caelin agrees to recognize the following map, originally presented by the High Kingdom with minor tweaks to clearly outline borders, as the land borders of the respective Kingdoms. The southern city of Vindonissa and its surrounding lands will be returned to the Merchant Republic. 2. The Merchant Republic of Caelin will pay reparations for their undeclared war and siege of the High Kingdom initially equal to the cost incurred by the High Kingdom to raise its levy troops over the previous year (180 florins by rough count). For the following 5 years, the Merchant Republic will pay 50 florins each year to compensate for loss of revenue. 3. A mandatory truce, bound by the laws of God and Man, maintained between the High Kingdom of Phalus and the Merchant Republic of Caelin for 10 years (10 turns).
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Post by Admin Crusty on Feb 23, 2023 16:56:26 GMT
The Captain of the Swess Guard rose to address those present.
The last crusades removed paganism from the peninsula many years ago. However, the holy lands are within the realm of a powerful Moslem ruler who's kingdom is far larger than any in Christendom. Should you righteous lords seek to Crusade to free the holy lands, you will need to work together to have a hope of defeating the infidel hordes.
At the present, his Holiness has not called for a crusade, though the occupation of the holy lands is a heavy burden on his soul.
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Post by maurianus on Feb 23, 2023 16:59:52 GMT
My fellow nobleman,
I come before you today with a heavy heart. My kingdom has been plagued by war and conflict. And now, I stand before you to speak of a matter that has deeply affected me and my people.
As you are all aware, the Republic of Caelin brought war to my people after our diplomatic talks slowed down. He has besieged my capital, raided my lands, and caused great suffering to my people. This is a grave violation of the peace and prosperity that we both were striving for.
And yet, here we are today, considering a peace proposal that would do nothing to address the root of the problem. It is a band-aid solution that would only delay the inevitable. In ten years' time, we will find ourselves back in this same position, with lands ravaged and people suffering because of the ambitions of one Republic.
My fellow nobleman, we cannot allow this to happen. We must take action to restore the trust and stability that God and the Pope command on us. I propose that we demand reparations from the Republic of Caelin and require him to swear a sacred oath of fealty to my Kingdom. Only then can we be sure that the peace we seek will endure.
I implore you to vote for my proposal. It is the only way to bring back the peace that we all desire, a peace that is blessed by God. Let us stand together, as brothers and sisters in arms, and take the necessary steps to rebuild the trust and security of our kingdom.
Thank you.
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Post by Marq Luq d'Jean on Feb 23, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
The Crown Prince seems to choke on a sip of wine he was taking, clearing his throat before standing to ask, "Are you asking that the Diet dissolve the Republic of Caelin's sovereignty? I know better than anyone else here what it is like to be unjustly invaded and to defeat your invader, however this seems...most extreme of a response. The rule of the Republic of Caelin, misguided though that nation may be, has already suggested terms for a peace that are quite severe for his own nation, but I do not think the proper solution is to dissolve the existence of the Merchant Republic as an independent entity.
"I'm sure that the Old Kingdom would have shouted even louder than they have previously had I suggested this very thing as retribution for their attack."
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Post by Thravok I on Feb 23, 2023 17:24:30 GMT
I think that Legate Ramirus has proposed a fair agreement. I find fascinating how some leaders can appreciate a fair peace agreement when they are not involved in the conflict...
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Post by Duke Gary da Carlsen on Feb 23, 2023 17:35:31 GMT
Duke Gary da Carlsen would just look dumbfounded when he heard oath of fealty.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Feb 23, 2023 17:56:10 GMT
The Tyramo advisor leaned forward and said something to Allectus. It was obviously some funny quip about biting off more than one can chew but it wasn’t obvious who he was talking about. Allectus then stood to speak.
Hardened and Upright Phallic King,
I know most would find it beyond difficult to allow a hostile act by a neighboring kingdom to go severely unpunished. What you ask of the Caelian Republic is tantamount to a total capitulation of their right to sovereignty, right to defense and right to govern. To my knowledge, the Caelian Republic has not yet been so totally beaten as to justify such a one sided peace deal. I suggest you counter with a more reasonable offer that could include higher indemnity payments or a more favorable land distribution. As it stands, I find no issue with the Republic’s proposal in its current state.
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Post by King Percy LXII of Percia on Feb 23, 2023 18:12:52 GMT
Percia will not allow such an unreasonable request. An absorption of Caelin into Phalus would destroy the balance of power. Such a preposterous suggestion should be thrown out of the Diet at once.
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Post by Lord-Archon Trajan Evander on Feb 23, 2023 19:04:42 GMT
Legate Ramirus and King of Phallus,
You both speak of territorial and diplomatic discussions that broke down. Would you be able to enlighten us, broadly, what those initial discussions were and to what extent those talks lingered?
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Feb 23, 2023 21:25:35 GMT
On the matter of resolving the Caelin - Phalus war, we put the following up for discussion. 1. With the understanding that the Merchant Republic of Caelin chose to siege the capitol of the High Kingdom of Phalus after negotiations over territory broke down, Caelin agrees to recognize the following map, originally presented by the High Kingdom with minor tweaks to clearly outline borders, as the land borders of the respective Kingdoms. The southern city of Vindonissa and its surrounding lands will be returned to the Merchant Republic. 2. The Merchant Republic of Caelin will pay reparations for their undeclared war and siege of the High Kingdom initially equal to the cost incurred by the High Kingdom to raise its levy troops over the previous year (180 florins by rough count). For the following 5 years, the Merchant Republic will pay 50 florins each year to compensate for loss of revenue. 3. A mandatory truce, bound by the laws of God and Man, maintained between the High Kingdom of Phalus and the Merchant Republic of Caelin for 10 years (10 turns). I second this motion. The idea of swearing fealty is simply against the realm of possibility and the laws of god.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Feb 23, 2023 22:03:46 GMT
Wise and Honest King,
I think it would be more prudent to allow the Kingdom of Phalus time to propose a more reasonable counter proposal rather than one made wholly by the other side, which I imagine they would immediately reject. The Kingdom of Phalus was after all the one unjustifiably attacked without prior provocation. Additional indemnities and demands are within their right, outside of vassalization ofcourse.
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Post by Alfred Von Gewisse on Feb 23, 2023 22:40:17 GMT
Consul,
His counter was to demand vassalization, so I find no issue with moving on. We've been here for weeks and I want to go home.
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Post by Consul Allectus de Gallia on Feb 24, 2023 0:03:27 GMT
My Lord,
If we expect the edicts from this Diet to be taken seriously we must make an effort to ensure all sides have been given an opportunity to speak and resolve their grievances with open dialogue and compromise. The failure of this Diet to come up with adequate compromises that both sides can mutually agree to will lead to shortcomings that will inevitably lead to more war and conflict rather than a long lasting solution to issues as simple as land and border disputes.
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Post by King Gościsław Kopaszewski on Feb 24, 2023 1:15:32 GMT
A willing vassalage swearing fealty is one thing but forced vassals tend to quickly become rebelling ones. I do not believe this to be a just outcome but what was the justification for the invocation of war in the first place?
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Post by Guildmaster Anatolius on Feb 24, 2023 7:27:38 GMT
Legate Ramirus and King of Phallus, You both speak of territorial and diplomatic discussions that broke down. Would you be able to enlighten us, broadly, what those initial discussions were and to what extent those talks lingered? After hearing the High King Phalus's proposal, Guildmaster Anatolius spoke briefly to the messenger behind him. "I am glad to hear that at least in public the High King speaks about how much care he has for his people. If only he had had shown the same care in ignoring our parley and throwing away hundreds of lives, we might not be here." The Guildmaster then rose after being addressed by the speaker. "Speaker Evander, I have only recently been made aware of what took place and what led the Legate to this course of action, having been provided with some of the messages passed between the Republic and the Kingdom. The Merchant Council and the Legate have been worried about the High Kingdom's expansion towards our lands since it began two years ago, after we purposely chose to not create a shared border with the High Kingdom and enter into discussions to work out where the boundaries would be set. The High King reached out to us and proposed the border be drawn out as detailed in our peace proposal, which we raised concerns with due to it cutting off potential expansion of our own city, and internally because it would cut us off from being able to support Percia against any attempted Moslem attack from outside the peninsula, and likewise prevent Percia from supporting us against such a thing. This was the rough outline of the concerns when I left heading a trade caravan towards the Holy City. What I have learned from our messenger is that when the Council took our concern about cutting off Vindonissa's expansion to the High King, they did not hear back for almost a year. Less then a day before the end of the year and start of the next, they heard back from the High King of Phalus that we would continue talking about the border with no discussion or addressing of our concerns with the proposal. This of course worried the Council, which led the Legate to attempt to negotiate at point of sword. There is of course more to the story after this point that can be shared at the Speakers request, but we wished to directly address the Speaker's question about our discussions up to the point of war and not the impossible peace terms dictated by the High Kingdom after the fall of Vindonissa and the abject silence (6 RL days) from the High Kingdom of our own offered crippling peace terms that we could accept." The Guildmaster paused, waiting to see if the speaker or any of the other assembled members had additional questions.
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